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MorphOS - morphos and SFS

Beanbandit - May 05, 2006 - 04:52
Post subject: morphos and SFS

I've got a problem with my setup....

1) I've got two old harddrives from my old A1200 which contains alot of data and registered software etc. (which would be nice to be able to use/transfer to morphos)
2) they are a 300 GB IDE HD with SFS 1.254 (68k) in the rdb
a 9 GB SCSI LVD with SFS 1.254 and FFS 45.15 (the latest 68K FFS) in the RDB it is also has a system partion with boot pri of 5 ( IIRC)

the problem....
Morphos stops dead when those two harddrives are connected... disconnect them and everything is hunkadory. To me it seem's as if either morphos does not like 68k SFS in the RDB (either because the SFS is 68k or because it is a cousine and isn't 100% the same)

the A1200 is dead so I can't remove the SFS from the RDB etc.

is there a way to either alter the SFS in the RDB in linux for instance,
stop morphos to automount them... and then mount them later with scsi-config/unitcontrol/mounter combo or make morphos ignore the rdb on them (with regard to SFS/FFS)

dholm - May 05, 2006 - 06:31
Post subject: RE: morphos and SFS

You might be able to modify the partition flags with GNU/parted. I don't remember exactly whether it support modifying those flags or not.

gunne - May 05, 2006 - 06:57
Post subject: RE: morphos and SFS

Beanbandit,

Does it work to boot from the MorphOS boot CD ?

Or does it work to boot MorphOS from the harddrive if You put a cd in the CD drive ? (Note: Not the MorphOS boot cd then).

If You can boot MorphOS in either of above way, you can just copy the wanted data to a partition on the ordinary harddrive, and after that, when the data is safe on the original harddrive, play around and change the scsi drive and the other drive as you like to find a way that works good to use for You.

Its not good to play around and change a drive, either You do it in Linux or MorphOS, if having data on it that You would like to keep !

Beanbandit - May 05, 2006 - 07:54
Post subject: Re: RE: morphos and SFS

gunne wrote:

Does it work to boot from the MorphOS boot CD ?

Or does it work to boot MorphOS from the harddrive if You put a cd in the CD drive ? (Note: Not the MorphOS boot cd then).

only if I disconnect the two 'old' harddrives.

system
IDE:
Master (0,0): 160 GB HD (morphos, ubuntu, boot partion) - CS
Slave (0,1): DVD-RW NEC - CS
Master (1,0): 300 GB HD (data mostly, SFS 68K 1.254) - CS
Slave (1,1) DVD-RW/RAM LG - CS

(CS = Cable Select for master/slave, but have tried forcing them to master respectively to slave)
SCSI:
1: 9 GB HD (old boot partion in SFS 1.254 68K for A1200)
6: Scanner

does MOS obey the old boot priorites of Amiga OS RDB?
I read in a FAQ that a similar thing can happen if you have another partion made as bootable (don't remember if the 300 GB'er has a partion bootable)

gunne - May 05, 2006 - 08:17
Post subject: RE: Re: RE: morphos and SFS

Beanbandit,

Ok.

I would have changed it to following:

IDE:
Master (0,0): 160 GB HD (morphos, ubuntu, boot partion) - master
Slave (0,1): 300 GB HD (data mostly, SFS 68K 1.254) - CS or slave
Master (1,0): DVD-RW NEC - master
Slave (1,1) DVD-RW/RAM LG - CS or slave

Note: Black connectors to master, grey connector to slave, blue connector to motherboard.

I would have tried with temporary disconnecting of the scsi drive and scanner, to first see if above works to use.

Yes, MorphOS boots automatically from a partition, containing a MorphOS system, with highest boot priority and of course marked as boot + mount.

MorphOS should always boot from the MorphOS boot cd, if the boot cd is in the cd drive.

It is possible to give argument, as boot string, if wanting too overrule boot priority, however not overrule the boot cd, as following:

boot boot.img BOOTDEVICE=DHX

DHX is the name (label) of the partition wanting to boot from, containing a MorphOS system. Of course this partition must have been set as boot + mount.

Note also that in smart firmware, the alias CD points to the first CD found, also the alias HD points to the first harddrive. If wanting to access a second harddrive or cd, its needed to type in the full search path, /pci/ide/disk@0,1 for instance.

Scsi-devices is to find at symbios.device in MorphOS.

Beanbandit - May 05, 2006 - 18:51
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nope, that didn't help...

I ended up removing all partions from
the 300GB'er and making new partions with
scsiconfig etc. and then it works.

so the only problem left is the
scsi harddrive (and considering
it contains alot of nice stuff that
is either impossible to get hold of
now or register or.. I'm reluctant to
do the same for a measly 9GB) Smile

gunne - May 05, 2006 - 19:15
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Beanbandit,

Ok, well its your choice. Did you try mount the partitions in linux and archiving the software before destroying the disk ?

I could offer You to give a try archiving the software onto cd's if you send the disk.

Beanbandit - May 08, 2006 - 05:05
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gunne wrote:

Ok, well its your choice. Did you try mount the partitions in linux and archiving the software before destroying the disk ?

nope, remembered I have most of the data I have/had on the 300GB I also had on a 128GB'er which is now a USB HD.

gunne wrote:

I could offer You to give a try archiving the software onto cd's if you send the disk.

I'm going to try some other stuff first. Smile

gunne - May 08, 2006 - 19:16
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Beanbandit,

Ok, good, always good to have data stored safe Smile

Yep ok, and I wish the best luck. If I/we can be to assistance You are welcome.

Beanbandit - May 10, 2006 - 20:56
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hmmm.... strange, ubuntu complains about the
scsi side, something like

symb0 FATAL ERROR: CHECK BUS,TERMINATION, DEVICE POWER
(could the harddrive have been killed, when the A1200's BPPC died?)

can't see anything wrong in any of that.

I've currently not gotten anything connected to the external ports
on the internal I only have the HD, and a terminator, the terminator indicates
that there is termpower and it is LVD, the card have the LVD lamp on...

it seem's as if the card simply ignores the scsi chain.

gunne - May 10, 2006 - 21:09
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You should see the harddisk (and also be able to access the partitions & data on the harddisk if the harddisk contains a by Smart Firmware supported filesystem) in Smart Firmware.

Command:

ls /pci/scsi

Beanbandit - May 11, 2006 - 05:40
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gunne wrote:

if I do a

ls /pci/

the only scsi I see
is...
scsi@5
(why does it look like that, is it that there is a device on SCSI unit 5, that there is a error 5 or what?)

I've check SLI's homepage/dokumentation and everything seem's to indicate that the below should work

J2 -> HD68 Cable 5 Connectors, connect the harddrive to one of the connectors ( not the last one, due to termination) -> HD68->50->HD50 External Connector.

according to SLI if I have it like that then I have to put a terminator on the HD50 (or the device I connect to the HD50, my scanner as soon as I get a new power supply) has to be terminated, the Harddrive should NOT be terminated, since then the HD50 would simply never be seen...

if one puts the terminator at the last connector (As per SLI's recommendation) and set up the drive for autospin etc. it will now boot into morphos with it connected (actually with regard for how it was with the 300 GB I don't know if it is a good thing I can do that Smile

) the SCSI drive is a IBM... (from the real IBM harddrive company Smile

, not hitachi wanna be IBM )

gunne - May 11, 2006 - 07:46
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Beanbandit,

Its normal that You will see a device scsi@5 when You do:

ls /pci

as You have a scsi-card mounted in Your computer recognized in Smart Firmware as pci/scsi@5. You will also see a lot of other devices thats recognized and sorted under PCI, like firewire, ISA, USB etc...

You can browse all this devices in Smart Firmware, by following the directory structure, of course if you have something connected to the device in question.

You did not tell what You in Smart Firmware did find connected to the scsi-card when You run the command:

ls /pci/scsi

Or if You prefer You can run the command:

ls /pci/scsi@5

scsi is in Your case a shortening of scsi@5 in Smart Firmware. Please, also remember that the shortening only points to the first scsi-device found (if you eventually have several scsi-cards connected in PCI), in the same manner as I wrote above concerning IDE-devices and devices connected to IDE.

About termination:

Yes, the terminator should be last in the chain after all units connected. As You also use converter 68-50 (for the scanner), You have to try how it works best for you. As I wrote in another thread my past experience with scsi tells me, that as long You only have one single unit connected to a scsi chain, termination is not needed, however for properly following the books of rules, termination should always be used.

If I were You, I would have tried with the disk first, to see that it works properly, then when I see everything works correct concerning the disk, I had connected also the scanner as next step.

Beanbandit - May 11, 2006 - 14:32
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gunne wrote:

Beanbandit,
ls /pci/scsi

brings out... nada
there must most likely have happened something with the harddrive.

I've downloaded both LSI's quick quide for installation and it indicates that with regard to the card, everything is OK
it just don't seem to know that there is a harddrive there... (the card states that everything is A OK for LVD) sooo....

gunne - May 11, 2006 - 17:13
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Ok, sorry to hear that.

If You connect the scanner, You should be able to see the scanner from Smart Firmware as well.