dholm wrote: |
Run software from win16 on win32 and you will get the same effect that they have on MorphOS. |
dholm wrote: |
Of course, noone should be running any kind of windows unless they are retarded. |
lisardman wrote: |
check out what dholm blogged about.. I think Linux wins this battle. such low latency I don't think morphos has.. http://www.dholm.com/2006/06/29/a-look-at-the-latest-in-free-real-time-scheduling-in-the-linux-kernel/ |
Plexus wrote: |
are there any chans too tweak windowsxp
so you can have it too feel faster in response than morphos? If you can, How do I set it upp or tweak WindowsXP without loose to many features! |
liarsman wrote: |
it affects the user interaction to... |
gunne wrote: | ||
dholm,
Are You kidding ? |
gunne wrote: |
I do not fully see the relevance to the original post, where the writer talks about the responsiveness in user interaction he does feel. |
dolm wrote: |
No. Fact is that ABox-applications running under MorphOS is like running win16 applications under win32. The operating system supports modern features which adds overhead, but the applications can not use them. Take away the overhead and the system appears faster. I highly question the price though. |
dholm wrote: |
Add the realime-preempt patch to you kernel and set all desktop relevant process to run in the realtime scheduler and I think you'll find the system just as responsive as MorphOS, if not more so. |
ironfist wrote: |
Gunne: I'm fairly sure the Linux developers don't even know what MorphOS is.. |
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if you run linux-programs from ram it will also go very fast to load them.... |
lisardman wrote: |
No. are you having problem with people using linux and lowlatency patches having quick and responsive kernel calls? |
dholm wrote: |
Don't you think people deserve to know why that is? You act as if you think it would be better to shroud people in darkness rather than being open in the matter. |
ironfist wrote: |
Gunne: The standard installation of Windows 98 on my AMD XP 1600+ with 1.5 GB RAM is just as fast and responsive as your standard installation of MorphOS on a Pegasos 2 G4 1 GHz. MorphOS here takes like 30 MB and Windows 98 takes maybe 200 MB. Still they feel the same. Windows opens instantly after I doubleclicked on icons, programs starting with blasting speed, etc.. Now, how is that? |
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btw I don't pretend to be a linux-user, I AM a linux-user |
gunne wrote: |
For me it looks as what you are trying to say here is something like:
- Take a very small car and put in an engine from a very big truck, and You will see whats happening. Hmm..., well that sounds not fully correct either ? |
gunne wrote: |
You will see the desktop appears just within 1-2 seconds, the responsiveness is also there, as we do not have any slow floppy-drive to load from or such thing that makes it feeling slower. |
gunne wrote: |
However there is never simple answers on technical issues, and each issue have also always its own explanation. |
gunne wrote: |
The way the system was designed, made it feeling more responsive, and executables were smaller and did run faster. Right is also that the system initself did lack features, however they were not needed for what it was created for. |
gunne wrote: |
Maybe the simpliest answer would be that the system is designed so that everything always happens at once if possible. It could be that the exec only know about one single instruction - DO. Which would mean the only thing exec can do when a process are sending a request is to answer - DO. |
gunne wrote: |
Now onto an example for dholm and lisardman, which You maybe can explain then.
Lets run mplayer on the Linux desktop. We do load a movie and let it play. Now grab the upper dragbar with the mousepointer and move the window around on the desktop. Start slowly and then gradually speed up the movement. Whats happening ? Parts of the content in the mplayer window will disappear. If you do have windows or icons behind the mplayer window you will also notice a delay in part of a second before the area will be redrawn onover which You just moved the window. |
gunne wrote: |
(Note: Maybe XGL will come to change this behaviour on the Linux desktop. Dont know as Im not using XGL myself.) |
dholm wrote: |
No. What I'm saying is that if you take a modern system, any modern system, and strip away all the features that make it modern you will find it to be very fast and responsive. It's the things happening under the hood that are making it appear sluggish, but they aren't there to do that they are there to provide you with more features. |
dholm wrote: |
What was it created for then? Most features in modern systems that run in the background are there to improve the user experience. IMHO that is the most important feature in any desktop system. |
dholm wrote: |
Update: If you use the gl output device instea of xv in mplayer I think you'll find that you can move the window around quickly without the video surface lagging behind. This assuming you have a decent driver for your GPU. |
gunne wrote: |
I see it as *nix have it roots in networking & communication. Thats also why You comes to the server/client perspective. Today the Linux desktop with Gnome or KDE have become so good, structured and well organized and have organized software packagesystem and everything, that it is a very good desktop-system to use on a daily base. The software base is also very good.
However, when using it You will not get the taste of the very fast responsiveness as You do in MorphOS. Thats why people talk about MorphOS as the lightning OS and do like it because of what it is. It comes down to a matter of taste, and that different systems are different and do feel different to use. Also the structure of the MorphOS-system make people like it in the way it is structured. |
gunne wrote: |
Yep, I know this, gl output makes difference for the window content, still the background will not be redrawn likely quick as it will on the MorphOS desktop. Also the sound will stop playing if you move the window around quickly, while MorphOS will continue to play the sound (and the video) at full speed independent of how fast You do move the mplayer window around. This was also why I come to think about XGL and did mention that. |
gunne wrote: |
Anyway, this was only an example I made for trying illustrate this with the feeling/taste of responsiveness in the MorphOS-system. The stripped lightning operating system if You prefer it that way ! |
dholm wrote: |
I did not experience slow redraws of desktop or any audio stuttering. My guess is that you are simply using a driver for your GPU which doesn't make full use of it. |
dholm wrote: |
Like I said above. If you want this comparison to bear any weight at all you should compare it with a similarly stripped Linux system. Otherwise you are simply comparing apples with oranges. |