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Plexus
Post subject: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 05, 2006 - 17:19
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are there any chans too tweak windowsxp
so you can have it too feel faster in response than morphos?

If you can, How do I set it upp or tweak WindowsXP without loose to many features!
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Post subject: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 05, 2006 - 18:40
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No chance ! Try to play a game in xp and press alt-tab to switch task Smile
 
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Post subject: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 05, 2006 - 21:27
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Hi,

There isn't any system that I know about that can catch up with MorphOS when it comes to responsiveness and interaction.

Edit,

Typing mistake, seems to have forgotten one 'that'

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Post subject: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 10:35
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Run software from win16 on win32 and you will get the same effect that they have on MorphOS. Of course, noone should be running any kind of windows unless they are retarded.

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Post subject: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 10:39
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hello guys Smile

check out what dholm blogged about.. I think Linux wins this battle. such low latency I don't think morphos has..

http://www.dholm.com/2006/06/29/a-look-at-the-latest-in-free-real-time-scheduling-in-the-linux-kernel/

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Post subject: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 10:44
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Lisardman: And with this latency it's still a full-featured OS with memory
protection, multi-user support and virtual memory..
 
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Post subject: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 12:06
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dholm,

dholm wrote:

Run software from win16 on win32 and you will get the same effect that they have on MorphOS.


Are You kidding ?

dholm wrote:

Of course, noone should be running any kind of windows unless they are retarded.


Meant as a friendly statement ?

Hmm, well I leave it as your personal opinion.

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Post subject: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 12:39
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lisardman,

lisardman wrote:

check out what dholm blogged about.. I think Linux wins this battle. such low latency I don't think morphos has..

http://www.dholm.com/2006/06/29/a-look-at-the-latest-in-free-real-time-scheduling-in-the-linux-kernel/


Indeed interesting reading through the link, also concerning Linux Realtime Approaches.

I do not fully see the relevance to the original post, where the writer talks about the responsiveness in user interaction he does feel.

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Post subject: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 14:39
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it affects the user interaction to...

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Post subject: Re: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 14:50
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Plexus wrote:
are there any chans too tweak windowsxp
so you can have it too feel faster in response than morphos?

If you can, How do I set it upp or tweak WindowsXP without loose to many features!


Microsoft hasn't written their extended version of VMS to be fast, it's eye candy that is the main thing, if it works or not or how fast that completely another matter, but with XPlite you can tweak away some of the crap and use firefox/thunderbird as full replacements for the insecure things that are shipped with the VMS.

If you want to customize the look of the desktop, then replace explorer with LiteStep.

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Post subject: RE: Re: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 15:30
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liarsman wrote:

it affects the user interaction to...


You mean they are trying catch upon MorphOS ?

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Post subject: RE: Re: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 15:47
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Gunne: I'm fairly sure the Linux developers don't even know
what MorphOS is..
 
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Post subject: Re: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 16:03
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gunne wrote:
dholm,

dholm wrote:

Run software from win16 on win32 and you will get the same effect that they have on MorphOS.


Are You kidding ?
No. Fact is that ABox-applications running under MorphOS is like running win16 applications under win32. The operating system supports modern features which adds overhead, but the applications can not use them. Take away the overhead and the system appears faster. I highly question the price though.

gunne wrote:
I do not fully see the relevance to the original post, where the writer talks about the responsiveness in user interaction he does feel.

Add the realime-preempt patch to you kernel and set all desktop relevant process to run in the realtime scheduler and I think you'll find the system just as responsive as MorphOS, if not more so.

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2006 - 21:44
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dholm,

dolm wrote:

No. Fact is that ABox-applications running under MorphOS is like running win16 applications under win32. The operating system supports modern features which adds overhead, but the applications can not use them. Take away the overhead and the system appears faster. I highly question the price though.


Ok.

I think you actually might missing the point little bit anyway, despite You are right also. Smile

For me it looks as what you are trying to say here is something like:

- Take a very small car and put in an engine from a very big truck, and You will see whats happening. Hmm..., well that sounds not fully correct either ?

I would like to state that running a win16 application under win32 does not make the MorphOS-effect.

Instead I would like to say something like this, take the old Amiga68k application and run it in the Amiga68x-environment and you will see that the same effect applies as when you run in it MorphOS. Of course the application will run a lot of faster in MorphOS, as you have a lot more horsepower, faster buses, faster CPU, faster graphicsboard, and You have also the Abox environment in within which it runs, and which perhaps can be seen as some kind Amithlon-like environment if You wish ? But You can still see the responsiveness and the speed on the Amiga computer, however it runs a lot slower on the Amiga-computer.... /

Take this experiment:

Take an old A500 (68000), put some memory in it, load the the os into RAD, and run the machine from this RAD. You will see the desktop appears just within 1-2 seconds, the responsiveness is also there, as we do not have any slow floppy-drive to load from or such thing that makes it feeling slower. Of course if You add more colors to the display, responsiveness will feel as slowing down, as the machine cant catch up with it any longer, buses cant push the data fast enough, the graphics-chip cant catch up with redrawing the display and so on...

The way the system was designed, made it feeling more responsive, and executables were smaller and did run faster. Right is also that the system initself did lack features, however they were not needed for what it was created for.

dholm wrote:

Add the realime-preempt patch to you kernel and set all desktop relevant process to run in the realtime scheduler and I think you'll find the system just as responsive as MorphOS, if not more so.


This looks interesting, should maybe give it a try, to see it and feel it. However, I doubt I will see the MorphOS-effect. And I also doubt that insulting of your fellow beings is the right way to go to make them more interested if thats what You want ?

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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Winxp vs Morphos response!  PostPosted: Aug 07, 2006 - 02:17
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ironfist wrote:

Gunne: I'm fairly sure the Linux developers don't even know what MorphOS is..


Did you direct that at wrong person ?

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